This is for FAQ 4 at covidandvaxfaqs.substack.com/p/vax-pandemic-priorities and for Igor’s Virus Debate at igorchudov.substack.com/p/debate-viruses-do-not-exist-or-do.
CAUSE MUST BE VIRUSES
This message does a good job of explaining that viruses are very probably real and sometimes pathogenic: https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-117/#comment-149891
DAMAGED GENETIC MATERIAL
The entire human genome has been sequenced and it contains all of human DNA. We know DNA and RNA exist. We know that they code for the production of proteins etc. We know that they are capable of being damaged. It's likely that damaged genetic material is capable of being replicated. And such uncontrolled replication is likely to be harmful. Damaged genetic material is basically a virus. Therefore, viruses surely exist.
HISTORY OF VIROLOGY
See How Scientists Identify a Virus and History of virology and Viruses harmful to humans are proven to exist
The latter says:
The statement that "no virus harmful to humans has ever been proven to exist" is absolutely false. There are numerous examples of viruses which are known to cause disease in humans. In the same way we can trace DNA left at the scene of the crime, scientists can identify viruses which are the cause of human disease by isolating them from infected individuals, sequencing their genetic material to identify them, directly visualising them (by electron microscopy) and indirectly visualising their effects on cells, as well as confirming their ability to cause disease by testing isolated and characterised viruses in animal models.
Below I’m quoting from 2 comments under Igor’s post. They’re from 9/22, but I just now had the opportunity to find some more material to reply to them with below.
CLAIM: CAUSE IS TOXICITY, NOT VIRUSES
COMMENT 1:
Mojo Cuba — Sep 8
lemme just paste this here ;-)
i can see what the problem is here : if you look at this cdc linked paper on the methods of "isolation" https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article : - and i quote : "Cell Culture, Limiting Dilution, and Virus Isolation
We used Vero CCL-81 cells for isolation and initial passage. We cultured Vero E6, Vero CCL-81, HUH 7.0, 293T, A549, and EFKB3 cells in Dulbecco minimal essential medium (DMEM) supplemented with heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (5% or 10%) and antibiotics/antimycotics (GIBCO, https://www.thermofisher.comExternal Link). We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate. We then trypsinized and resuspended Vero cells in DMEM containing 10% fetal bovine serum, 2× penicillin/streptomycin, 2× antibiotics/antimycotics, and 2× amphotericin B at a concentration of 2.5 × 105 cells/mL. We added 100 μL of cell suspension directly to the clinical specimen dilutions and mixed gently by pipetting. We then grew the inoculated cultures in a humidified 37°C incubator in an atmosphere of 5% CO2 and observed for cytopathic effects (CPEs) daily. We used standard plaque assays for SARS-CoV-2, which were based on SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) protocol"
- do you see how many antobiotics and chemicals they use? how can you be sure what comes out is an isolated virus? instead of some toxic crap, or even some mutated rna?
to be honest i do not know christine, but if you really want you should seek out Dr Andrew kaufman : he will be willing to debate on video. and that should be fascinating to be honest. give him a call.
- here is a teaser on his position from april 2020 : [Youtube removed the video.]
COMMENT 2:
John — Sep 18
What comes out is not an isolated virus. It is decaying material. The same experiment can be conducted without adding any swab specimens. No supposedly infected samples added and it still produces the same decaying material. These control experiments should have been done before anyone claimed they showed a virus: https://odysee.com/@OurFreeSociety:2/CPE---Control-Experiment---21-April-2021---English-version:
MY REPLY: HOW VIRUSES ARE IDENTIFIED
The following video explains that contents of the virus cultivation are put into a centrifuge, which sorts the contents, so the viruses all end up together at the same level in the centrifuge and can then be syringed out. This isn’t final proof that viruses are real or that they cause disease, but it’s evidence that virologists probably know what they’re doing. It does show that the viruses can kill bacteria, so it’s also good evidence that viruses can cause disease. The video is only 15 minutes long and the cultivating and centrifuging is pretty much explained in the first 5 minutes or so.
Cultivation of viruses (2'30" on centrifuging) youtube.com/watch?v=WnWr12lxRO4
CLAIM: VIRUSES ARE EXOSOMES
BaldMichael argues at stevekirsch.substack.com/p/catchup-part-2/comment/10787661 that viruses are just exosomes and he references this link: https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/e-is-for-exosomes/
REPLY: VIRUSES ARE DNA FRAGMENTS LIKE EXOSOMES
I replied as follows.
I read about exosomes many years ago. I know they are DNA or RNA fragments. That's what viruses are too. DNA/RNA is genetic code which has on/off switches that cause it to activate or not. If it activates, it causes the formation of proteins if the right amino acids are available in enough quantity. There's good reason to suspect that viruses evolved from such fragments. All creatures have DNA and fragmentation occurs frequently from injuries and toxicity etc. So it should be expected that viruses would tend to evolve pretty quickly and be able to spread between different species. Most such viruses would likely be harmless and could probably even provide some nourishment. Only the ones with on/off switches etc would be able to be duplicated. Most of those would be fairly harmless too. Only a small percentage of viruses would be dangerous. And manmade viruses could be made very dangerous. The Wuhan virus has strong evidence for being manmade. It was only a little more dangerous than normal flu viruses, but the so-called vaccine against it is way more dangerous.
SOME QUESTIONS THAT VIRUSES ANSWER BEST, PLUS PROOFS
_I'll provide now some quotes from this link that I gave earlier:
... [Here's what] anti-vaxx Dr. Suzanne Humphries (author of Dissolving Illusions fame) recently wrote about the theory that viruses don’t exist:
“But nobody seems to answer my question, which is how come I don’t get chickenpox again? How come I only got measles once? Did I only need to detoxify once? Why don’t the same exosomes want to keep coming out of me? How come children pass the same disease to each other at parties? I treated a lot of children a couple of years ago during the measles outbreaks. Many of those parents brought their children of all different ages to be exposed to the measles and it worked for about 90% of them. Yes about 10% took more than one exposure. Does that disprove the existence of a contagion? How come a slew of babies circumcised by the same herpes laden Rabbi got herpes? What about SV 40?
... Now, about the issue of whether SARS-CoV-2 exists or has ever been isolated. We can take a first and less contentious crack at that question by looking at the “original” SARS coronavirus. Was that isolated? By all accounts, yes. And I’m not aware of anyone denying that, including people who say that SARS-Cov-2 hasn’t been isolated or doesn’t exist. (Though there are some who claim that no virus has ever been properly isolated.)
_Many papers have been written about how they took isolates of that virus and infected animals with it. For example this paper from 2004: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC521815/
_You can find many more papers like it for that virus and many others. Seems like a compelling case for the idea that viruses exist and cause effects commonly labeled as disease or illness.
_There are also many papers where the authors describe how they “reverse engineered” the original SARS and many other viruses. They call it reverse genetics. Meaning they create a replica/clone of the virus from RNA fragments based on the viral genetic sequencing that has been done. See for example here: https://www.pnas.org/content/100/22/12995
_And then they take that clone and infect animals with it, inducing disease consistent with the disease observed in humans (or symptoms we label as a disease). For the original SARS virus see an example here on page 17 of the pdf, 245 of the book: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7122489/pdf/978-3-540-26765-2_Chapter_8.pdf
_If you are constructing a virus based on genome sequencing and then using it to cause disease in animals, I’d say that goes well beyond “isolating” it in terms of proving it exists and causes disease—or what we call disease. (We can set aside the issue of whether disease is really about healing or detox or whatever. The crucial issue here is whether there is a virus that has the effects on living organisms that we observe.)
_What about SARS-CoV-2? Well it turns out there are a ton of papers where they report doing all the same kinds of things with a virus that allegedly doesn’t exist and hasn’t been isolated. See a few examples out of MANY: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2324-7
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/pdf/S1931-3128(20)30231-6.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
_There are so many papers out there where the authors state that they are doing x, y and z with SARS-CoV-2 isolates. There are an awful lot of pictures of lab results, tables, etc. etc. To me, it does not look faked.
... However, we also have lots of evidence that hospitals that were supposedly overrun with COVID-19 cases were empty or nearly empty. We have lots of evidence of faked images and videos related to the lethality of this virus (like the early ones out of China) and its impact on hospital capacity, etc. We have lots of evidence that many people’s deaths have been attributed to the virus even when it is obviously not true, and additional evidence that statistics of deaths and illness attributed to the virus have been massively inflated. We have evidence that existing illnesses (like influenza and pneumonia) being re-labeled as COVID-19, including the mysterious “disappearance” of influenza this past year. We’ve also seen that PCR is unreliable and can be easily hijacked to produce desired results.
... Another inference we could make if we take all the evidence into account is that the virus exists and can cause “illness,” but its dangerousness and lethality has been grossly, ridiculously exaggerated – to such an extent that they’ve needed to fake the footage and PCR test results to make us afraid of how bad it is. That strikes me as a perfectly reasonable inference to make. ... I don’t think the position that the virus exists is at all unreasonable.
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UPDATE: 4/12/23
MORE ON VIRUSES & EXOSOMES
My computer has the Bing browser, which recently added A.I., so I started trying it out. I asked about any relationship between VIRUSES & EXOSOMES. This is the reply it gave me, which I found very interesting.
_According to a blog post by CellGS, viruses, particularly retroviruses, resemble exosomes in terms of size, composition, and function. Exosomes range from 30-150nm in diameter. This is a similar size range to viruses which range from 25-250 nm, with retroviruses ranging from 100-200 nm1.
_Exosomes are not viruses but may help them. Exosomes released from viral-infected cells can incorporate viral proteins and nucleic acids in the endosome via the ESCRT pathway. By definition, a virus can replicate by using host machinery. Exosomes do not replicate in recipient cells. Each cell has an innate ability to make its own exosomes2.
1. Exosomes and viruses https://www.cellgs.com/blog/exosomes-and-viruses.html
2. “Viruses” or Exosomes? https://viroliegy.com/2021/09/10/viruses-or-exosomes/ "Exosomes have been shown to be key mediators of cell to cell communication, delivering a distinct cargo of lipids, proteins and nucleic acids that reflects their cell of origin."
3. Virus Theory vs. Exosome Theory https://georgetownmarket.com/virus-theory-vs-exosome-theory/
4. Circulating Exosomes Are Strongly Involved in SARS-CoV-2 Infection https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33693030/
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I found a few substacks that mention exosomes. One of them is by palexander who discusses shedding concerns and mentions that lipid nanoparticles (or their natural equivalent, exosomes or extracellular vesicles (EVs)) have been shown to be able to be excreted through body fluids (sweat, sputum, breast milk) and to pass the transplacental barrier1.
1. palexander.substack.com/p/shedding-concerns-it-looks-like-the
What virus?
Look into Electro-Magnetic Radiation.
Dear Len
Thanks for directing me to your post. I have replied more fully elsewhere to your position but I will say this here.
Re your phrase "...but it’s evidence that virologists probably know what they’re doing."
That is hardly a ringing endorsement for virologists. And don't forget it's these same virologists pushing the harmful shots and big pharma drugs.
At the end of you link you refer to A.I. You trust it after all the lies of the past 3 years??? Come on Len, you are being ridiculous. I really thought you would have realised by now that all this A.I. is corrupted by mainstream virology to promote the deceits.
My final point is to say that the exosome is the equivalent to the dustman or garbage collector, carrying many sacks of rubbish for disposal into the waste disposal system which in the body is the lymph system.
The lymph nodes are places where the rubbish builds up before being shunted on to the next point to eventually pass out the body.
I have observed this effect in my neck due the removal of toxins as I slowly detox. The lymph gland swells, becomes full and relatively hard like a pumped up balloon then dissipates. This cycle I have noticed for some time now, probably over a 3-4 day pattern.